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Post by abhijacko on Jul 5, 2016 7:53:30 GMT -8
Airlift? You mean the patriotic-social drama, with a hit song from Arijit Singh, that released around Republic Day weekend?
Being compared to a movie that was marketed as a dark thriller, with no leading lady and songs. Sounds fair!!! Maybe his previous movies had a little bit of effect on the opening, but it still opened EXCELLENT for this genre.
Just curious to know - what opening did Talaash get - thats the only similar genre movie I can think of, even though it had 2 major leading actresses and songs (Sun Le Zara was a chartbuster too). I think it was in the same range
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2016 8:07:54 GMT -8
^^ Talaash (four years ago) opened to similar numbers on 50% less screens, so FAN opening is respectable not excellent for an SRK starrer, the opening is not the issue here its the non trending of SRK films regardless of the genre.
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Post by abhijacko on Jul 5, 2016 8:11:07 GMT -8
^^But gangsta was clearly talking about openings. Stardom is mainly based on openings. And the performance of his previous movies would affect the opening more than anything
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Post by abhijacko on Jul 5, 2016 8:12:12 GMT -8
^^ Talaash (four years ago) opened to similar numbers on 50% less screens, so FAN opening is respectable not excellent for an SRK starrer, the opening is not the issue here its the non trending of SRK films regardless of the genre. That's what she said ! Couldn't resist
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2016 8:18:18 GMT -8
Not its not, films like CDI and TZP opened low but had excellent trending after the first weekend something FAN didn't, and not only FAN but non of SRK's recent films has good trending masala or not that is the main reason of low lifetime collections..
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Post by abhijacko on Jul 5, 2016 8:26:05 GMT -8
Huh ? Trending is majorly defined by the content and word of mouth. Not by star power. Star power gets the initial pull (opening weekend). You highlighted "crazy opening weekend FAN received" on gangsta's post. He was clearly talking about opening and not trending being affected by his previous movies
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2016 8:26:18 GMT -8
Airlift? You mean the patriotic-social drama, with a hit song from Arijit Singh, that released around Republic Day weekend? Being compared to a movie that was marketed as a dark thriller, with no leading lady and songs. Sounds fair!!! Maybe his previous movies had a little bit of effect on the opening, but it still opened EXCELLENT for this genre. Just curious to know - what opening did Talaash get - thats the only similar genre movie I can think of, even though it had 2 major leading actresses and songs ( Sun Le Zara was a chartbuster too). I think it was in the same range LOL i have to admit this one was funny the fact that we need to point out such things says it all about the current state of SRK's films Jabra ?
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Post by abhijacko on Jul 5, 2016 8:28:34 GMT -8
Songs play a major role in the lead up to a movie's release and impact collections. That is a fact !!
Ask Emraan Hashmi and Himesh Reshammiya
Jabra was the first teaser promo released. The subsequent trailers were nothing like it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2016 8:28:58 GMT -8
Huh ? Trending is majorly defined by the content and word of mouth. Not by star power. Star power gets the initial pull (opening weekend). You highlighted "crazy opening weekend FAN received" on gangsta 's post. He was clearly talking about opening and not trending being affected by his previous movies If you have read the whole convo you would have seen we were talking about his last TRILOGY bad WOM effecting FAN lifetime collection not the opening
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Post by gangsta on Jul 5, 2016 8:34:20 GMT -8
You are moving the goal post here @qureshi . From opening to trending to lifetime runs. I mean, I fully understand someone being disillusioned by back-to-back HNY and Dilwale, but the best way to gauge whether those films have had a demolishing effect on SRK's stardom is going by how his subsequent films open, surely? And FAN opened pretty well, from all I have read. That it didn't sustain well enough is a reflection of the film in question and not the ones preceding it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2016 8:40:11 GMT -8
You are moving the goal post here @qureshi . From opening to trending to lifetime runs. I mean, I fully understand someone being disillusioned by back-to-back HNY and Dilwale, but the best way to gauge whether those films have had a demolishing effect on SRK's stardom is going by how his subsequent films open, surely? And FAN opened pretty well, from all I have read. That it didn't sustain well enough is a reflection of the film in question and not the ones preceding it. Aha ! this is more closer to my point i was making, FAN didn't open crazy but rather well/respectable that is what i said in my earlier post. none of SRK films sustained in the last 10 years minus CE & OSO just think about that .... so FAN not sustain is not mainly due to the film itself or the genre, but to a decade long returning reflections ....
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Post by gangsta on Jul 5, 2016 9:10:41 GMT -8
The point you were making was that SRK's previous films affected FAN's opening - but given how well FAN opened, that is not true. Now your point is about these films affecting lifetime collections of FAN - I can't get even close to how these two could be related, so not much I can say. As for decade long sustainability, I don't know what your point is. Are you now talking about SRK's choice of films being bad for a decade? Or are you now saying this decade is thanks to his poor choice of films in the previous decade, expanding your previous argument to a larger set?
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Post by sikander on Jul 5, 2016 9:23:11 GMT -8
Qureishi why you always forget RNBDJ WHICH Has not only huge weekend 26cr but trended well too. Second week 25 cr was similar to gajini second week. Fourth week is more than gajini's forth week. Gajini got full advantage of Xmas weekend. Even dilwale too trend well considering strong competition from BM despite bad movie which start 21 cr and ended with 140-150 cr similar to bodyguard He was just unlucky in terms of release in last 8 years.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2016 9:36:45 GMT -8
The point you were making was that SRK's previous films affected FAN's opening - but given how well FAN opened, that is not true. Now your point is about these films affecting lifetime collections of FAN - I can't get even close to how these two could be related, so not much I can say. As for decade long sustainability, I don't know what your point is. Are you now talking about SRK's choice of films being bad for a decade? Or are you now saying this decade is thanks to his poor choice of films in the previous decade, expanding your previous argument to a larger set? No i am not, what i am saying is irrespective of genre his films in the last 10 years or i should say since OSO (2007) are not trending at all apart from CE A decade within two decades if you will 2007-2016 SRK has been leaning on reputation for a while now and i believe its catching up on him, you can open big leaning on your starpower but after that you need more than that to make a film trend, doing bad films for friends,not reading scripts etc etc i mean how long can you sustain that ? i am surprised it lasted this long, which says much about how big a star he is that people still gave him the benefit of a doubt (hence the opening) but after the first weekend when the WOM spreads out the audience are not coming back, now his upcoming films looks promising which wont need the reputation factor to run longer hopefully.
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Post by geeta on Jul 5, 2016 10:27:44 GMT -8
[are you now saying this decade is thanks to his poor choice of films in the previous decade A decade within two decades if you will 2007-2016 Do we all believe that 2007-2016 was a lost decade within a decade for SRK? I certainly don't. I was disappointed with the same films that most of you have already cited namely: DIWALE, HNY, JTHJ & RA ONE. I liked or loved everything else . Come what may, SRK will always be my favorite actor as I am sure that he is yours.
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Post by clochette on Jul 5, 2016 10:31:42 GMT -8
Where do you get those info about trending or not...only the first weekend...opening day...number of screens etc. qureshi? Do you have a link (or links) to what you state? Besides that,I think, everybody here who read your ShahRukh-related posts during the last year, knows your opinion about the quality and success of ShahRukhs movies since ChakDe. I don't get the reason why you still stress the past as his status of a global Hindimovie-Magastar is still very well shown. Strangely, (and I may be the only one here )I am far from being enthusiastic about the interview (or the interviewer)although ShahRukh thanks Ankur for "an evening well spent" and there are many praises from others. First, the word "excerpts" (always)gives me the thought that the journo has worked on the answers, took decisions to omit or may even have slightly changed something. - in my opinion a stupid question! (did he not read all those statements of ShahRukh throughout the years when he was not satisfied? - that isn't correct at all!!! More than once ShahRukh mentioned that he does not expect a commercial succes with FAN! - what a condescending remark! In addition, none of ShahRukh's movies is only HIS work...his work is mainly acting and the way someone qualifies acting is a personal view. (Unfortunately I don't understand the Hindi parts in ShahRukh's answer) - How often ShahRukh has spoken about those issues...umpteen times!! Well, I will not go on and on...it may be too boring for you...in the end neither really something new in the questions nor something new (only three small things) I had not read ShahRukh saying another time... The most I am irritated about is Mister Pathak's "artistic value"...does he not know that the artistic value of ShahRukh's/an actor's working just lies in the acting and that ShahRukh(among others) gave/gives a very special and unique touch to almost all the commercial movies he did/does? His acting is his artistic work...and he can do it all: from over-the-top to very restrained with all the nuances in between!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2016 10:41:45 GMT -8
[are you now saying this decade is thanks to his poor choice of films in the previous decade A decade within two decades if you will 2007-2016 Do we all believe that 2007-2016 was a lost decade within a decade for SRK? I certainly don't. I was disappointed with the same films that most of you have already cited namely: DIWALE, HNY, JTHJ & RA ONE. I liked or loved everything else . Come what may, SRK will always be my favorite actor as I am sure that he is yours. No doubt
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Post by abhijacko on Jul 5, 2016 11:11:30 GMT -8
[are you now saying this decade is thanks to his poor choice of films in the previous decade A decade within two decades if you will 2007-2016 Do we all believe that 2007-2016 was a lost decade within a decade for SRK? I certainly don't. I was disappointed with the same films that most of you have already cited namely: DIWALE, HNY, JTHJ & RA ONE. I liked or loved everything else . Come what may, SRK will always be my favorite actor as I am sure that he is yours. Ummm .. Not at all I think barring HNY/Dilwale phase, I loved it. JTHJ gets a lot of hate but I LOVED it. Modern-ish setting but the story was a throwback to the classical 90s love story. And SRK as Samar Anand was BRILLIANT !! RNBDJ was amazing and SRK as Suri was top notch. MNIK had slight editing issues, but was still a well made topical film. SRK once again was mindblowing. Don2 and Chennai Express were so much fun - SRK as DON killed it once again. FAN - I think I have shared enough thoughts on this superlative movie (makes it to my top 5 list of all time) The disappointments: HNY/Dilwale. I never was a big fan of Farah Khan / Rohit Shetty school of filmmaking. Was disappointed SRK did those movies. Ra One was a missed opportunity - but I can fully appreciate what SRK and his team did for India's VFX industry. Billu was meh. Loved 6 out of his 9 movies. And 5 out of the 6 had really meaty and challenging roles too.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2016 11:29:42 GMT -8
Hmm
2007-2016
Ra.one are you kidding me ?
JTHJ worst Yash Chopra directed film after Parampara, and worst Yashji-SRK combo film by far ...
RNBDJ half baked, as Suri top/ as Raj ruined what could have been a very good film
MNIK disastrous direction and presentation (its more on KJ than on SRK this one)
Don2 very good
The Trilogy (CE/HNY/Dilwale) embarrassing
FAN amazing
* Billu is more of Irfan Khan's than Shahrukh's
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Post by clochette on Jul 5, 2016 11:56:47 GMT -8
What is the point of repeating the own valuation again and again. I think, your point of view is exactly that, your point of view. Others may have the same, slightly different, very different impressions. It's okay. Films are artistic products and valuation depends on personal gusto. I thought, here, it is about the interview...
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Post by ujjwala on Jul 5, 2016 13:13:20 GMT -8
Between 2008-2015, SRK has had just 8 releases (excluding guest and special appearances) at an average of 1 film per year (i.e. is just one chance to get it right in a whole year) - Rab Ne Bana Di Jodi (2008), My Name Is Khan (2010), Ra.One (2011), Don 2 (2011), Jab Tak Hai Jaan (2012), Chennai Express (2013), Happy New Year (2014) and Dilwale (2015). In this list except for the last 3 years, he did choose different films whether they worked or not is another story. The audience taste has changed drastically and it may take time to figure stuff out. There was a time when I could see a poster and predict what will work, what will not, I can't anymore. These days no body knows what works, what works for one does not work for another.
I guess its known that I too was loosing it after the terrible triology. I hated those films. I almost did not see his last year's release. But I can see SRK is making different choices, if they will be successful choices is again another story, I am just glad that they are different and seemingly more challenging choices. And that is all I want from him. When I come out of the cinema hall I should feel I saw a worthy performance. FAN was a brilliant performance, it under performed, does not matter to me now. I am just glad he is out of that Masala rut.
I think it is time to cut him some slack, the triology days are in the past now and there is loads of interesting stuff to look forward to.
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Post by clochette on Jul 5, 2016 13:36:09 GMT -8
When ShahRukh says that most of the movies he did/does are not his kind of cinema, I can fully relate to that and to the love for the challenge which makes him do his work with so much dedication. He loves a lot French movies (and I think certain English and American ones, too...there are even Italian and German ones)...and one of his favorite movies is "Life is beautiful". His views on humanity, humour, approach to life, dealing with the bad and his soul which is closer to the world of children than to the one of adults, his openess to the western filmmaking and yet being nevertheless deep-rooted in the Hindi cinema tradition make him the most ambivalent of the "three Khans" - especially for the Indian audience.
However one may perceive ShahRukh's work, there is no denying that he tries to be honest to the character he has to portray and does it with a lot of intensity and mostly a very nuanced acting that does not shy away from elaborated studies and also spontaneity.
Looking at ShahRukh's work is for me watching his character portrayals in the movies, realizing how much he gives confidence to his co-actors, seeing all the new he apports to Hindi cinema and to the work of an entertainer, getting amazed by his dedication and prime goal which is to make people smile. He is the "jester of the nation" (as he said once) - it has not to be important for the public eye what he feels inside.
I am truly happy for all the love he gets and I am sad when he is unhappy with the outcome of what he does from the heart (or what he does because others - not only Indian audience, fans or critics - requested him to do). I know that he is - during a shooting or when preparing a stage show - more involved as a 'simple' actor, but I also know that he respects that others are more competent than he in their field of work and he trusts them to do a good work...till the moment his trust is - at least in his eyes - mis-/abused.
As for the fact that he shies away from building relationships...I can relate to that, too. That does not take away his friendship when it is needed...and I think, no other Hindi superstar has such a warm and joyful relation to his co-actors and the crew during a shooting than ShahRukh...just the time from the beginning of the making to the end of promotion. I think, ShahRukh isn't a people's man apart from everything related to his work...it is through his "I'll entertain you" that he connects to people.
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Post by neeran on Jul 5, 2016 15:21:25 GMT -8
He's not saying the audience is stupid or that he dumbs down movies for them. But there is a vast population in India and elsewhere who likes mindless entertainment. They have their own problems in life and just want to be entertained. Or they just like these kind of cinema. Lots of educated, intellectual folks love slapstick comedies. That doesn't mean they are stupid. What I get from his statement is that these kinds of films may not be what he watches but he makes them for the vast, diverse audience who does. And to make films that are not his type is a challenge that he enjoys. I don't see anything condescending in that. SRK is unique. There are fans who love Salman's mindless films and there are fans who love Aamir's so called 'intellectual' films. SRK is the only one who does both and many other kinds. But he is the only one who's judged on both genres and found wanting. He makes mindless films and folks wonder why a man with such potential makes such films. He plays challenging roles and folks wonder why there's no song and dance and where's the romantic hero they loved so much. Seems like he can never please people. Small wonder that he's frustrated and confused.That is so true. SRK is the mix. And with that comes a lot of discussions, agreements and disagreements. Even his own fans have different tastes in what he represents as an actor. Also, I think it comes from his own personality (Beside the intellectual stuff he loves he also often mention lots of wacky even 'mindless' films, characters that he loves from the west). He is quite a complicated emotional mixed individual who lives between two extremes as he said. This interview is BRILLIANT. Some really brutally honest statements within beside speaking about his films. The interviewer caught him in a very transparent mood and SRK let himself be!
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Post by karan on Jul 5, 2016 16:35:06 GMT -8
Only your opinion so no need to keep repeating it like it's a fact. Majority liked rnbdj, mnik and even CE.
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Post by shereen on Jul 5, 2016 19:00:39 GMT -8
I can't believe such a gem interview ( which is rare these days), where SRK touched many topics and aspects of life beautifully, got redundant to box office performances of his last 2 films.
CE had a terrific WOM. That's why it collected that much with out any opening weeks like other so called Khan's recent big Hits.( CE lost too many screens for OUTIM after 7 days)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2016 22:56:18 GMT -8
Very good observation !
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Post by aboveallsrk on Jul 5, 2016 23:58:43 GMT -8
Will this analysis of the interview be relevant if SRK did 3 idiots as he was supposed to?
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Post by gangsta on Jul 6, 2016 5:37:56 GMT -8
A decade within two decades if you will 2007-2016 SRK has been leaning on reputation for a while now and i believe its catching up on him, you can open big leaning on your starpower but after that you need more than that to make a film trend, doing bad films for friends,not reading scripts etc etc i mean how long can you sustain that ? i am surprised it lasted this long, which says much about how big a star he is that people still gave him the benefit of a doubt (hence the opening) but after the first weekend when the WOM spreads out the audience are not coming back, now his upcoming films looks promising which wont need the reputation factor to run longer hopefully. I understand your opinion. And I think I can speak for the rest of the forum in saying, for the millionth time we all really do understand your opinion. It just made/makes no sense in thrusting that into this discussion and somehow relate it to the opening of FAN.
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Post by clochette on Jul 6, 2016 6:02:56 GMT -8
A "gem interview"??? "Brilliant"...Okayyyyy... Honestly, I wonder why I don't see neither the gem nor the brilliance (am I the only one??? )
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2016 7:32:19 GMT -8
A decade within two decades if you will 2007-2016 SRK has been leaning on reputation for a while now and i believe its catching up on him, you can open big leaning on your starpower but after that you need more than that to make a film trend, doing bad films for friends,not reading scripts etc etc i mean how long can you sustain that ? i am surprised it lasted this long, which says much about how big a star he is that people still gave him the benefit of a doubt (hence the opening) but after the first weekend when the WOM spreads out the audience are not coming back, now his upcoming films looks promising which wont need the reputation factor to run longer hopefully. I understand your opinion. And I think I can speak for the rest of the forum in saying, for the millionth time we all really do understand your opinion. It just made/makes no sense in thrusting that into this discussion and somehow relate it to the opening of FAN. This interview touches various things all related to his films: Quality,Box Office,Scripts etc etc how is talking about his recent films not related to this ? when the Interview is about that (and many other things) ? now me talking about: sports,politics or games in this thread that would make no sense lol BTW i am not here to make you understand anything
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