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Post by riverpanthera on Jan 31, 2014 13:43:00 GMT -8
Since the thread on our old forum is gone, thought I would create a new one now that we've had a lot of updates: 1) This one is kinda spoilerish for people who don't want to know anything, but it has been revealed everywhere online: Wonder Woman is going to appear in the movie, and will be played by Gal Gaddot.
Personally, I'm ver excited about the idea of WW being in it because I always wanted to see the Big Three together, plus I think it would be a great lead up to JL movie. I don't however know much about Gal Gaddot, so dont' really have any opinions on her casting. My pick was actually Bridget Reagan ever since I saw her in Legend of the Seeker, she has the perfect look. But I'll give Gaddot a fair shot. 2) Unfortunately the movie has been delayed to 2016. Gosh, that's going to be a long wait, but I suppose not entirely surprisng since MOS only released last year. 3 years if actually kinda normal for superhero sequels. Plus in a way, the longer they go away from TDKR the better. But still, it sucks for me.
3) Jeremy Irons has been cast as Alfred- this I think is freaking perfect. He would absolutely have been among my top choices.
4) Jesse Eisenberg has been cast as Lex Luthor. This one is quite interesting. I can definitely see some characteristics of Luthor in him, but he seems so young.
And of course Ben Affleck is still Batman
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2014 4:29:56 GMT -8
Woah ...Jesse Eisenberg as Lex! Stunned by this. Didn't see this coming at all. I can dig it! I think he's a good actor and can pull this off. And Jeremy Irons as Alfred?! Yes, please. Perfect casting by Snyder!
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Post by gangsta on Feb 3, 2014 8:28:16 GMT -8
I am not really looking forward to this, because I thought the first one was terrible. But I like the Jessie Eisenberg casting.
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Post by abhijacko on Feb 3, 2014 13:35:11 GMT -8
^^It comes down to the director I think - Zack Snyder has always seemed pretty mediocre. He has missed the mark more often than not - Watchmen, Sucker Punch, 300 - they were high on style, but lacked everything else.
With Man of Steel, he looked like he was confused on which route to take - Nolan's or Marvel's. Both Nolan and Marvel work very well by themselves, but Synder tried to make Man of Steel 'dark and realistic' while still wanting to keep it comic-bookish like Marvel, and failed ! Hopefully he will have a clearer idea for the next one.
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Post by riverpanthera on May 2, 2014 18:44:53 GMT -8
I can't remember if I ever posted this on the old forum, but it's a fan film about the Doomsday storyline. I used to not watch much fan videos until I saw this one , it made me start watching more ones though. And it is truly incredible. I highly recommend it. He's used clips from various different movies to create this, the editing is so good. I think this shows just how great a movie with Superman, Batman and Wonderwoman could be. This guy has combined action and character moments through a short film so well, I think most hollywood studious couldn't pull this off. Honestly this had more emotional resonance than Man of Steel. ANd I'm saying despite liking that movie. Plus he did it before Man of Steel came out so was seriously lacking in awesome Superman fighting footage and had to make do but still managed to do a great job for the most part. It's really incredible: Part one: www.youtube.com/watch?v=lX6Fa_bVCropart two: www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OZZB8HeQ-cpart three (wonder woman interlude): www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICKK0MP5Zacpart four (batman interlude): www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4jtd9GsllUpart five: www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqF9OwwaL-A
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Post by abhijacko on May 5, 2014 10:38:59 GMT -8
So from where things stand right now, Batman/Superman will have a clash with Capt. America 3 in 2016. Batman/Superman will obviously come out the winner atleast on the opening weekend. But Capt. America has garnered a lot of goodwill with Cap's second outing. Might cause a massive dent if the clash actually happens. Any thoughts on this? screenrant.com/captain-america-3-release-date-2016/
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Post by riverpanthera on May 5, 2014 21:02:45 GMT -8
I think it's so incredibly stupid of Marvel to release CA3 with this movie. I don't get why they did it. I mean there is aboslutely nothing to gain for either sides in a clash. It's just going to split the audience for no real reason. Most people would probably watch both movies if they weren't releasing at teh same time. I know I would. But now, dunno if I will be able to watch both in theatres. And Bat/Supes will definitely be my no. 1 choice. Though I have really grown to love Captain America after seeing Winter Soldier.
I don't know who will come winner, a lot depends on how good Batman/Superman actually is. If it's good then it will win easily because Batman is without a doubt the most popular superhero today. And even Superman probably the most iconic even if not among the more popular right now. And a team up between the two has never happened before on big screen. Plus you've got the first big screen appearance of Wonder Woman as well. So really, another movie wouldn't stand a chance.
But if the movie isn't good or controversial like Man of Steel was, then Captain America has a great chance to beat it because its first two movies have been good and well received by audience. Plus it could be riding on the Avengers sequel wave. I definitely wouldn't underestimate its chances.
I'm really hoping one of DC/Marvel move. it might be considered 'cowardly' by some idiots, but it would be the smart choice.
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Post by riverpanthera on May 5, 2014 21:30:33 GMT -8
By the way speaking of Batman/Superman, this si kinda off topic but still related to Batman so think should put it here, but admins can move if needed.
There's a new TV show coming this Fall on Fox called "Gotham". It's mostly about Jim Gordon but it also features young Bruce Wayne and Alfred. As well as younger versions of a lot of Batman villains.
I think it looks great from the trailer:
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Post by abhijacko on May 6, 2014 6:12:37 GMT -8
I think it's so incredibly stupid of Marvel to release CA3 with this movie. I don't get why they did it. I mean there is aboslutely nothing to gain for either sides in a clash. It's just going to split the audience for no real reason. Most people would probably watch both movies if they weren't releasing at teh same time. I know I would. But now, dunno if I will be able to watch both in theatres. And Bat/Supes will definitely be my no. 1 choice. Though I have really grown to love Captain America after seeing Winter Soldier. I don't know who will come winner, a lot depends on how good Batman/Superman actually is. If it's good then it will win easily because Batman is without a doubt the most popular superhero today. And even Superman probably the most iconic even if not among the more popular right now. And a team up between the two has never happened before on big screen. Plus you've got the first big screen appearance of Wonder Woman as well. So really, another movie wouldn't stand a chance. But if the movie isn't good or controversial like Man of Steel was, then Captain America has a great chance to beat it because its first two movies have been good and well received by audience. Plus it could be riding on the Avengers sequel wave. I definitely wouldn't underestimate its chances. I'm really hoping one of DC/Marvel move. it might be considered 'cowardly' by some idiots, but it would be the smart choice. That's true. Neither side is gaining anything from this. But cant blame Marvel either. That is the best time period for all superhero movies. Releasing a week earlier will harm them because they fight Superman2 within a week. And A week later, there are other big releases. Ofcourse they could release in April like Capt2 which did surprisingly well. But I don't know what all goes behind the scenes. Also, there are indications that like always Marvel had decided on this date already way back in early 2013 like they do for all their movies and its DC that gatecrashed it by delaying it
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Post by riverpanthera on May 6, 2014 21:31:16 GMT -8
^I would think releasing one week earlier woudl be better than at same time.
Did not know though that marvel may have already decided on date, in that case DC is the dumb one. But either way, it's stupid.
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Post by riverpanthera on May 14, 2014 1:15:55 GMT -8
First look at the suit & batmobile: It's clearly very inspired by The Dark Knight Returns comic: I"m not surprised as even the announcement of the movie was doen from a dialogue of The Dark Knight Returns comic. Personally, it is not among my favourite looks cause it's very bulky looking- I tend to prefer the slimmer suits with the longer ears. However it did suit the comic Batman in that story very well by giving the older/grizzly look, so it probably will suit the movie too as they are going for same character. The batmobile looks awesome!
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Post by abhijacko on May 14, 2014 5:39:37 GMT -8
Is this just artist imagination ? or is that really ben Affleck under that suit ? Suit looks too bulky and a little chubby haha
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Post by riverpanthera on May 14, 2014 21:06:02 GMT -8
Chubby??? Lol it's definitely not chubby, but it is bulky, however it's a like a rugby player(or american football for those who don't know about rugby) build. They look huge, but there's no fat there, it's all muscle. I think that is Ben Affleck for sure since Zack Snyder himself tweeted this.
Have you see the Dark Knight Returns Part 1 & 2 animated movies abhi? I think you would like them. The suit works surprising well in there. Check out this fight for instance (though it is the very final fight of part 1 so don't watch if you want to avoid spoilers: (EDIT- actually I put hte worng link first oops, here's the correct one)
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Post by palacerani on May 14, 2014 21:10:56 GMT -8
Did he really bulk up that much or is it a padded suit? Somehow I'm just not convinced that Ben Affleck will make a good Batman.
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Post by riverpanthera on May 14, 2014 21:23:02 GMT -8
^Actually the one thing I don't have trouble believing at all is Ben's ability to bulk up for the role. He can be a very muscular guy if needed. He was very well built in The Town. Also if you've seen some of his recent pictures, he really does look huge even out of the suit. Now of course I think the suit naturally does make you look a bit bigger as it is not skin tight suit like Superman or Spiderman, so there will be some padding, but even Christian Bale had that. The bat suit is after all is generally armour as well in the movies, not just a costume as Batman is not invulnerable. However, I think mostly it is indeed Ben Affleck. Acting on the other hand, is a different issue as I think topping Christian will be too hard, and actually I'm not even going to expect it. However, I am going to remain optimistic that he will give a good performance even if not the best batman performance. Same with the movie itself, I don't at all expect on the level of Nolan's trilogy, but as long as it's a good movie and they do something interesting with the character (not just copy Nolan), I'll be happy.
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Post by karan on May 14, 2014 22:17:12 GMT -8
He does look a bit too bulked up (wasn't expecting that at all), it may have to do with the angle at which the pic was taken as well. Also, wouldn't his chin be a big giveaway to batman's real identity?
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Post by abhijacko on May 15, 2014 5:31:00 GMT -8
riverpanthera - I was jesting about chubby Its definitely very bulky and muscly. Thanks for sharing the link. I think I have outgrown the animated comic series thing unfortunately I mean I am okay with watching something like The Dark Knight Returns which is just 2 lengthy episodes, but there is just so many shows to watch that I don't have the heart to pick up superhero animated series Comparing Affleck with Bale would be hitting ourselves in the foot, because there is no way Affleck can match Bale/Nolan's batman. I am sure Affleck can bulk up. These Hollywood stars are good at these things
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Post by riverpanthera on May 21, 2014 21:35:30 GMT -8
The movie has been officially titled finaly: I don't care much for Batman V Superman, mainly cause I dont' liek the idea of them fighting, though I'm sure by the end of the movie they will be friends regardless. Still I would have just like Batman/Superman or Batman & Superman However, Dawn of Justice sounds good. Especially as the next movie will be the Justice League. And the logo looks freaking awesome! I know there were many doubting hte Batman logo because it's large, but when you have the Superman logo on it, you can see why it needed to be large. Titles don't matter much in the end anyway
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2014 0:23:08 GMT -8
So this is a MOS sequel, Justice League Prequel and Batman reboot all in one. WB trying to kill 3 bats with one stone lol. Dawn of Desperation would be a more appropriate sub for it.
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Post by riverpanthera on May 22, 2014 1:46:42 GMT -8
When DC takes things too slow people complain, when they go fast, other people complain. They just can't win lol.
But yeah it is risky bring in Batman and Wonder Woman so soon. However, i think it's better than waiting especially as Man of Steel was not that successful, how many are really going to be interested in a straight up sequel. By bringing Batman & Wonder Woman in, they've managed to make people excited about this movie. Also I actually think the progression makes sense if you look at it logically- you bring in an alien to Earth and have him in a battle that threatened all of humanity, and none of the existing superheroes on the planet notice or do anything? That wouldn't be believable at all (though yeah because it's comic booky, we generally accept it). the idea that Batman would take notice of this alien and be wary of him makes perfect sense.
In a way, if they had done a MOS sequel first and then Batman in for 3rd movie, people would be wodnering why batman didn't react to Superman sooner. In MOS, you could argue, things happened too fast for him to react, but a second movie wouldn't be able to make same excuse.
Wonder Woman mini intro is also a good idea, Superman's existence opened the door for other superpowered beings and it makes sense it should be a progression so starting with the Trinity before Justice League is a brilliant idea. Plus it makes it different to what Marvel did and doing the same thing would just be boring and probably draw criticism.
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Post by abhijacko on May 22, 2014 6:02:08 GMT -8
I don't think its a matter of taking it too slow or too fast. I think it is ineffective planning on part of DC. With Dawn of Justice, this will be the 3rd or 4th Batman reboot right ? TDKR came in 2012 which is less than 4 years. Sometimes being inspired by the good work of other studios can be a good thing. I don't know much about comic books, but maybe a couple of Origin movies of the not so popular characters would have been a good setup to Dawn of Justice and re-intro of Batman. Maybe they are planning it ? Its 2 years until Dawn of Justice. Surely they wont be making movies based on just batman-superman-wonderwoman ?
Anyways all this will amount to nothing if the story and characters are well presented/executed on screen. Marvel has tasted so much success because the treatment was very fresh and creative. Even with the sequels. MOS definitely lacked that spark. Hope they fix that in Dawn of Justice.
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Post by riverpanthera on May 23, 2014 0:09:51 GMT -8
^Fair comments. But problem is you can't start the Justice League without Batman at the forefront. He's the biggest hero for DC (or at least second if you consider Superman first). So I think after Superman, they had to bring Batman in. You can't really introduce Flash to the Justice League before him, that would cause a riot. Plus Green Lantern's already had a failed movie so that takes him out as well and same logic as Flash, he can't come before Batman. The ony possibility is Wonder Woman but after man of steel's lukewarm response, that wwould have been far too risky a move for DC. Maybe if it had been better received, we could have seen one. I think that would have been the most ideal situation. It's always been that Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman form the core of the Justice League, they are the Trinity. Even if it's true that we only recently had a batman series but that was standalone and so I feel like htey had no choice but to reboot Batman if they wanted to do Justice League in the near future.
And I think there are plenty of ways to keep it fresh. Just the simple fact that it will have super powered beings changes the entire game. Plus it's not an origin story like Begins was, this has an already established Batman. IT's definitely not like spiderman reboot, where they did nto really make it fresh at all.In fact it will be very surprising here if it is same as Nolans batman.
The truth is, in some ways Nolans series has hurt DC's planning because of its standalone nature, even though it's the most successful single superhero series.
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Post by riverpanthera on Jul 26, 2014 14:37:16 GMT -8
Wonder Woman first look revealed: I love it! This was always going to be the hardest costume to get right because the original is just plain awful to put it frankly. However, I love what they've done with it here, definitely gives off the warrior princess vibe. Can't believe this movies is still two years away.
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Post by abhijacko on Jul 26, 2014 20:08:55 GMT -8
Sorry, dont like it at all. Not even close to the original wonder woman costume .. and thats really disappointing. They did not have to go with the full on bright blue and red, but this one looks like a costume out of those clash of the titans movies. The game Injustice did a great adaptation of wonder woman's costume .. staying true to the material but being relevant too .. fc08.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2013/047/a/a/injustice__wonder_woman_wallpaper_by_nerdyowl299-d5v652p.pngPlus she looks too much like a model than a superhero
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Post by riverpanthera on Jul 26, 2014 23:18:30 GMT -8
^Yeah fair enough, probably could have done with a bit more colour to make it more like the original. But maybe this makes it more different from Superman's red/blue costume (as well as Captain America) so could be that's what they were going for. And yes it does look like something out of Clash of Titans, but thats' exactly why I like it because a lot of Wonder Woman story and characters are based on Greek mythology with Zeus, Ares etc being involved. Diana herself being daugther of Hippolyta so i think that is something that an Amazonian princess would wear. The original Wonder Woman costume doesn't actually make a whole lot of sense as it represents the american flag colours, but that fits Superman not Wonder Woman's personality. Or at least she shouldn't be wearing it right of the bat, it would make sense after coming into 'our' world and becoming a superhero and maybe then taking up those colours as a sign of respect. But I never understood why she would be wearing that on the Themyscria.
However, having said that, I think there might in fact be some dark blue and dark red in there, it's hard to tell with this pic as it's got that whole brownish/gold filter to it. It would be interesting to see what it looks like without that.
And funnily enough I really don't like that Injustice picture you've put, just goes to show how much opinions can differ lol.
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Post by riverpanthera on Aug 6, 2014 22:16:47 GMT -8
This movie has now moved to March 2016, so no longer clashing with CA3, which is awesome news! I'm so glad WB made the smart choice. Plus this means, we get it a couple months earlier
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Post by abhijacko on Aug 7, 2014 6:32:46 GMT -8
WB got scared of Cap3 .. hahaha j/k Couldn't resist
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Post by abhijacko on Aug 7, 2014 7:06:05 GMT -8
BTW .. my roommate pointed out an important thing about this movie. And I agree with him
I don't like how the movie is named Batman vs Superman, and not the other way round - Superman vs Batman. Especially since it is supposed to be a sequel to MOS. I hope they don't rely too heavily on Batman and put more effort into moving the Superman story forward
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2014 9:01:13 GMT -8
So, WB blinked.
Was it ultimately the smarter move? Yes. But did they chicken out in this epic di*k-measuring contest against Disney/Marvel? YES.
As for the Wonder Woman pic, I don't like it ...at all. Reminds me too much of Xena. Speaking of it, if only Lucy Lawless were 20 years younger ...she would have been the perfect WW. It's not that I dislike Gal, but she's just not right as WW
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Post by riverpanthera on Aug 8, 2014 1:32:38 GMT -8
BTW .. my roommate pointed out an important thing about this movie. And I agree with him I don't like how the movie is named Batman vs Superman, and not the other way round - Superman vs Batman. Especially since it is supposed to be a sequel to MOS. I hope they don't rely too heavily on Batman and put more effort into moving the Superman story forward Zach Snyder I think (or someone else from DC) actually commented on this and he gave a hint: Firstly, it's Batman v Superman, not vs. That might nto seem like a big difference, but in law the letter 'v' is used in all cases betwen two parties, it is very clear who comes before (claimant) and after (defendant). And that is going to be reflected in the movie. So it wasn't a random decision. I think it's quite clever actually, nice double meaning. To be honest, even when I saw the 'v' I did slighly wonder if it was related to law somehow as why not just put a vs. The other thing is in law, even if there is a 'v' written, when you actually say it out loud, you say 'and'. Ie one woudl say Batman and Superman. So I think that also creates another meaning, that maybe they fight first first but then are allies. Also I think there might be another reason that Batman v Superman simply sounds better than Superman v Batman. Yeah I would have liked Lucy Lawless too, she was one of my top choices even with her age. I too am a bit wary about Gal, however I want to give her a chance before judging. I"m hoping she must have really smashed the audition for them to pick her as Wonder Woman. I dont' think there's anything wrong with resembling Xena though considering the greek origins. ANd Xena herself is probably originally inspired by Wonder Woman. But its personal choice of course. Wow what a wonderuflly creative comment. Never heard that one before!
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