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Post by abhijacko on Aug 8, 2014 5:56:19 GMT -8
While the V-VS thing is interesting, it doesn't really help much because the audience and fans (including me) will still take it as a versus. I am pretty sure 90% of the expected audience will be unaware of about the significance of "V" over "VS" because of lack of knowledge of legal terminology.
In any case, my issue is with Batman preceding Superman, which is a little disturbing. Because in the same interview, he also says that he wanted to make MOS2 as a Superman movie and move his story forward. But then decided to draft in Batman (forced to probably, because MOS figures fell below the studio's expectations). It would have been excellent if they had named it Man Of Steel: Dawn of Justice
I am not saying it couldn't be a great/good movie. But I just don't like the build up to it so far. MOS was messy because it did not seem to have a clear direction. And the build up to Dawn of Justice (DOJ) continues to be messy.
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Post by riverpanthera on Aug 11, 2014 21:28:09 GMT -8
While the V-VS thing is interesting, it doesn't really help much because the audience and fans (including me) will still take it as a versus. I am pretty sure 90% of the expected audience will be unaware of about the significance of "V" over "VS" because of lack of knowledge of legal terminology. In any case, my issue is with Batman preceding Superman, which is a little disturbing. Because in the same interview, he also says that he wanted to make MOS2 as a Superman movie and move his story forward. But then decided to draft in Batman (forced to probably, because MOS figures fell below the studio's expectations). It would have been excellent if they had named it Man Of Steel: Dawn of Justice True, but then 90% of the audience also isn't going to care whose name comes first. Actually even I don't see the big deal, what does it matter who is first, it doesn't have to mean one is more important. I think this is just nitpicky criticism to be honest. MOS:Dawn of Justice is a good title, but not as attention grabbign as havign Batman in there. Also the idea that they were forced to bring Batman in is pure speculation. We can't know what their plan was. There are some hints in MOS itself of Wayne Industries just like they are of Lexcorp, so it's actually very logical step to bring both Lex and Batman in the second movie. People are only assuming its forced because according to them MOS wasn't a massive success but frankl, if WB wanted to do a Justice League movie fairly soon, they would have definitely planned on bringing at least one of Batman or Wonder Woman in this movie. Storwise as well, it makes perfect sense cause the kind of event that happened in MOS, would not go unnoticed by other heroes. That's the difference from marvel phase one movies, they didn't have any whole world threatening events. They were more isolated incidents, and in Captain America's, completely different era too. Also something I've been meaning to say for ages but keep forgetting is X-men, those movies have shown that you can easily do multiple powered heroes without prior individual movies. It is possible to develop more than one superhero character through a movie. X-Men First Class especially, such a great example of this. They developed Magneto, Xavier and Mystique who are all major characters so brilliantly. And even the other supporting characters, you definitely cared for. People are just hung up on this cause Batman/WW are bigger names, but I think that actually works to advantage rather than disadvantage cause people already know who they are so you don't even need as much character development as you normally might.
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Post by abhijacko on Aug 12, 2014 7:04:51 GMT -8
I think you missed the point I made about Zack Snyder himself saying that he wanted to make MOS2 initially and expand on Superman's story IF you put two and two together, Batman's addition clearly seems like an after-thought. And I have nothing against big characters being introduced in the same movie.
Its just that it feels like Green Lantern again. That one did not do well, and WB went into panic mode and changed direction. Now MOS hasn't performed as well as they expected it to and once again WB is relying on Batman like they have been doing for all these years. It just shows desperation.
Plus I doubt Snyder's directing (and editing) abilities. Loved 300 for its style but that movie did not have anything else going for it. Sucker Punch and Watchmen I couldn't finish because they were just so slow. MOS, I have already shared my thoughts on how it seemed like he had no clear vision. Each of these movies had this "dark" atmosphere, which is what he loves to make. Would work great for Batman because he is alone and brooding. But it just doesn't fit with Superman's character who is supposed to be a symbol of HOPE before anything else. But now that Batman is in the mix, maybe his style might just work
Just overall with the developments, something seems off. Just what I feel
EDIT: Here is another interview excerpt from Snyder clearly saying that the first MOS was not supposed to be included in WB/DC's Justice League plans. It was supposed to be a separate reboot like Nolan's batman and would be separate from WB's Justice League universe. And this falls in place with him wanting to expand on Superman's story in MOS2, thereby making Batman's introduction a late addition. Link: www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uEgIONT2vo
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Post by abhijacko on Aug 12, 2014 13:39:18 GMT -8
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Post by riverpanthera on Aug 12, 2014 21:47:10 GMT -8
Yeah I do remember comments that MOS was going to be separate, but honestly I never believed that-I just figured they weren't ready to reveal anything yet, because if that was the case, then Justice League would have to create another different Superman as well as a new Batman. And that would just be incredibly dumb. Plus despite the comments, there were always strong rumours that MOS was goign to be start of new cinematic universe. It was a really badly kept secret lol. Also I think they could have changed their mind, but that doesn't mean it's forced in, it could jsut be they hadn't thought about it much before. I mean Chris NOlan once said he would never include Robin, but he did, I don't think he was forced. And while Zack did at one point say separate universe, he did say this after MOS. www.darkknightnews.com/2014/04/zack-snyder-discusses-batmans-inclusion-batman-vs-superman/I think DC just didn't want to reveal anything before seeing how MOS fared, cause imagine if it had bombed, then all their plans would have been dust. At least it wasnt' a failure, it was actually a success, just not as big as perhaps was expected. So hard to know what their plan was. You could be right that Snyder is forced to bring Batman in, but I prefer to be positive.
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Post by riverpanthera on Aug 12, 2014 22:13:30 GMT -8
You know you might want to give Watchmen a second watch, I think it's actually a good movie though not great. The slow pace is a tad annoying though however I think it picks up later, I don't know how much you watched. ALso it's worht it just for Roscharch's character I feel.
Re MOS being too dark and serious, I've seen these comments before about how it doesnt' suit Superman. And I just don't agree. I think these commetns are based on people's slightly lopsided idea of Superman from pop culture and media that always has him as mr goody two shoes and always happy and kinda goofy. Superman in comics has been done seriously more than a few times and I was glad to get a movie that tried to do a serious take on the character instead of always having him as this goofball. Even some of the animated movies and shows have shown him in a more serious light and done it very successfully. MOS is actually much more faithful than people realise. I don't think the problem with the movie was that it was too serious. It was the script that was not that great in terms of developing the characters and there was far too much action.
The general audience though only seems to know him from Christopher Reeve's movies and Smallville, they don't know otherwise.
And I was in a similar boat actually. Two years ago, I didn't know much about Superman, didn't even like him much cause seemed too cheesy and a bit lame. Plus I hated the costume. Then I saw the trailer for MOS which I thought was just amazing. The movie may not have been great, but trailer sure as hell was. I just wish the movie had been more like the trailer, it suggested more character focus compared to action. ANd I started watching a lot of Superman stuff - saw all the animated stuff in past decade or so as well as all of Smallville. And I loved the character, became a fan. Second only to Batman now. So I guess that's one reason why i"m really thankful to MOS, in a way if I had never seen that trailer, I wouldn't have got into Superman. I"m not the only one either, I know a few people who did the same thing. So I think in some ways MOS has been successful because it has brought Superman to a new audience, which I think was always the main intention.
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Post by abhijacko on Aug 13, 2014 6:22:14 GMT -8
I haven't read any comics, so cannot comment But I remember seeing a few cartoons where even during the most trying times Superman was the "faint glimmer of hope" that everyone looked up to. MOS was out and out dark and depressing in tone, something which Zack Snyder loves. But that was the least of my concerns with the movie. Pretty sure Dawn of Justice will be similar in tone, so its something I just need to accept About Watchmen - I tried it twice because a good chunk of the audience swears that this movie is brilliant. First time I fell asleep. Second time, I did get past the halfway point, but just couldn't hack the insipid pace and over-stylized execution. It felt very forced and not natural at all (unlike say Sin City or 300). Sucker Punch had the same problem. MOS had similar problems, but was slightly better.
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Post by abhijacko on Aug 13, 2014 6:39:00 GMT -8
www.darkknightnews.com/2014/04/zack-snyder-discusses-batmans-inclusion-batman-vs-superman/I think DC just didn't want to reveal anything before seeing how MOS fared, cause imagine if it had bombed, then all their plans would have been dust. At least it wasnt' a failure, it was actually a success, just not as big as perhaps was expected. So hard to know what their plan was. You could be right that Snyder is forced to bring Batman in, but I prefer to be positive. I appreciate your honesty And I think we are about to start going in circles lol. But regardless..
Just based on the interviews my straightforward theory is that MOS series was going to be Zack Snyder's Dark Knight trilogy. I mean, just the confidence with which he outright rejects the thought of his Superman sharing JL universe indicates that. WB were clearly unsure on how to go about establishing their JL universe, thanks to the debacle of Green Lantern and Bale refusing to be Batman if it wasn't with Nolan.
And now we are being force fed these new stories of how "it was always meant to be the kick starter to DC cinematic universe" Ta da
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Post by riverpanthera on Aug 13, 2014 22:23:21 GMT -8
^haha yeah we are starting to go in circles lol. By the way, didn't evne talk about the Ben Affleck pictures, I think he definitely looks the part, it's so much like Bruce Wayne from cartoons and comics. Acting wise won't know until movie obviously.
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Post by abhijacko on Aug 14, 2014 15:34:14 GMT -8
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Post by riverpanthera on Aug 15, 2014 0:31:11 GMT -8
^oh yeah I've seen that, was meaning to post but wasn't sure if it would be allowed. I haven't found anything better though. it's very brief but looks epic. What did you think of it?
But look what I found one funny from HISHE and another just a animated version:
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Post by riverpanthera on Aug 15, 2014 0:45:14 GMT -8
Ben Affleck talking about Batman v Supermanm (new): On taking the role: “Before I took the role, Warner Bros. gave me a bunch of past reactions to casting and said, ‘Are you sure you want to get into this? This is part and parcel of these movies now. There’s a lot of active fans with a lot of opinions.’ To me, having been through a certain amount of that, it doesn’t really… Everyone’s entitled to their opinion. I wouldn’t have taken the part if I didn’t trust my instincts in terms of the filmmaking. I think Chris Terrio wrote a terrific script. Zack’s a great visual director. And there’s an interesting take. I wouldn’t have done it if I didn’t think I could do it. I have the benefit of a lot of that understanding.” On getting fit for the character: “I’m right in the middle of shooting now. It’s a process that I’ll probably have better perspective on when I’m done. I can tell you that every time I do a role, it’s the responsibility of an actor to get their physical self as close to the role as possible. And Batman’s obviously got a set of expectations that are tough. So I spent a lot of time working out. And it’s a far cry from Gone Girl where my character is described as ‘puffy and hungover.’ I want you to know I worked equally hard at both!” linkI think the Chris Terrio part excites me the most, my biggest problem with MOS was the script by David Goyer, not really Zack Snyder's direction. I think David Goyer by himself doesn't work. He worked with Nolan because Nolan was able to refine his scripts and improve them. So I'm glad this time also they brought in someone else to look over and basically rewrite it. And Chris Terrio only recently did the amazing script for Argo so I'm more hopeful.
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Post by abhijacko on Aug 15, 2014 11:47:32 GMT -8
LOL, I have seen the HISHE one. They put out really amazing content. Love their superhero café videos. Will never get sick of - *Becauseeeee .. .. .. I'm BATMAN* The actual trailer looked pretty good from the little I could see. Hard to make a call, but once you have two immensely powerful heroes like Superman and Batman in the frame, its hard not to be psyched about it
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Post by riverpanthera on Aug 20, 2014 21:33:19 GMT -8
Henry Cavill on set with suit. I like the new suit! Though I liked old one too, but I know there are some complaints of not enough yellow or being too dark- this one seems to fix that. Unless its just the lighting
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Post by abhijacko on Aug 21, 2014 5:54:12 GMT -8
That does look good. He actually fits into the Superman role with ease. That was one of the positives for me in MOS
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Post by riverpanthera on Aug 22, 2014 2:50:55 GMT -8
^I totally agree, Henry Cavill is just perfect as Superman even without the curl or the red underwear. Its like I read somewhere, he just looks like he stepped out of the pages of the comics.
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Post by riverpanthera on Aug 26, 2014 21:19:22 GMT -8
This is super sweet:
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Post by abhijacko on Aug 27, 2014 5:59:41 GMT -8
Haha. Nice Should have had the water pour-ers wearing batman suits or a Ben Affleck mask
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Post by riverpanthera on Sept 4, 2014 0:52:32 GMT -8
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Post by abhijacko on Apr 17, 2015 7:04:22 GMT -8
Did anyone catch the leaked Batman V Superman teaser ? HD version expected on Monday As expected, looks very dark and gritty - very Zack Snyderish But will have to watch the good quality version of it before deciding whether I like it or not
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Post by riverpanthera on Apr 17, 2015 13:03:53 GMT -8
I saw the official teaser posted by Zach SNyder but that didn't really show anything. Didn't know there was a leaked one out there. Though I might just wait until a good quality one comes.
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Post by abhijacko on Apr 17, 2015 13:23:11 GMT -8
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Post by karan on Apr 17, 2015 14:35:00 GMT -8
Doesn't reveal much but looks really good. Loved the dialogues. Didn't like the explosions towards the end though (seen a lot of that in recent superhero films).
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Post by riverpanthera on Apr 17, 2015 15:58:51 GMT -8
And they've actually released it officially turns out: www.youtube.com/watch?v=xe1LrMqURuwI love the trailer, I just hope this time a good trailer actually means a good movie. I think this movie will almost be reverse of The Dark Knight returns story in a way (i.e I think instead of Superman being sent to stop Batman, it will be other way around and Batman will probably be the one who is asked to stop Supes or he does it off his own accord because he doesn't trust him, until of course he realises that superman is in fact good and they join forces lol)
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Post by abhijacko on Apr 17, 2015 19:43:48 GMT -8
Loved the dialogues as well. And Batman's voice.
The dark, stylized CGI effects makes me skeptical though - its trademark Zack Snyder and he almost always overuses it. Plus I dont trust him as a director at all. Still, it will be batman v superman, so bring it on
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2015 23:54:56 GMT -8
Still find Ben Affleck as batman too weird. I'll give the movie a shot, but it's just bizarre.
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Post by gangsta on Apr 20, 2015 6:31:21 GMT -8
Really liked the trailer. But still don't have high hopes for this movie, probably because the first one was so bad.
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Post by abhijacko on Apr 22, 2015 7:37:37 GMT -8
A video look at costumes for WW, Superman, Batman. WW's costume looks a lot better coloring-wise compared to the initial pic that was released
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Post by riverpanthera on Apr 22, 2015 13:16:04 GMT -8
^I always had the feeling it would have the original colours in there and that it was just the colour filter of the photo that made it seem otherwise.
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Post by riverpanthera on Jul 11, 2015 14:12:31 GMT -8
Comic Con trailer
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