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Post by riverpanthera on Mar 23, 2016 6:36:28 GMT -8
Just sawnit..and damn the movie was freaking awesome. I shouldn't have been worried at all. And im definitely not saying this out of hype. I really don't know what the critics are smoking bthis time. With man of steel I can understand but this was sooo much better.
superman as a character was perfectly done here unlike MOS.and henry cavill was great I thought. batman was soo cool (though one aspect of his character will rub some people the wrong way)..ben affleck was fantastic. Wonder woman was awesome as well although not much to do acting wise as vry small role.
The movie is definitely dark though which I guess is also not to some people's liking and that's fair enough. But im still surprised at critics cause I would expect them to be a bit more objective. Plus the trailers reveal the tone so its not exactly a surprise.
I feel the movie is qyite well made even if you may not agree with certain elements of the story. it delivers what it promises to IMO. Especially for batman and superman fans.
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Of course there are a few flaws..I felt sometimes scenes didn't flow well together. .felt kinda randomly put together. But the scenes themselves were great so didn't mind much. There were a few cheesy/cringeworthy dialigues..mainly involving luthor. (Speaking of which I thought Jesse acted very well actually though I still would have preferred a more traditional take on the character) and I have to say I am a tad disappointed with the music..at times it was simply too bombastic/over the top and didnt totally suit. But other times it was great. .still got some stuck in my head
I liked it more than The Dark Knight Rises actually. Though not as good as TDK or BB.
People clapped at the end of our screening and this is not that normal in NZ. Although it was a midnight screening but still I think it definitely wasa good sign that Iim not alone in thinking this. the friends I went with loved the movie too.
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Post by abhijacko on Mar 23, 2016 6:54:09 GMT -8
That's awesome ! Now I am getting excited for it again
How Zack Snyder'y is it though? Does he stuff every scene with some sort of symbolism or makes it heavy for no reason, or he shows restraint? And are the villains competent ?
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Post by srkforever on Mar 23, 2016 9:33:28 GMT -8
nice to see a positive review. its being torn up by the critics. not that it'll stop the audiences from flooding theatres this weekend
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Post by riverpanthera on Mar 23, 2016 14:28:01 GMT -8
That's awesome ! Now I am getting excited for it again How Zack Snyder'y is it though? Does he stuff every scene with some sort of symbolism or makes it heavy for no reason, or he shows restraint? And are the villains competent ? lol I hope I don't raise your expectations too much, there's no guarantee you will like it just because I did, though I hope you do. Re being Zack Snydery I don't think it was too much. Basically I think the trailers represent the tone of the movie very well, so I would say it's similar to them (if you liked them, I don't see why you wouldn't like the movie at least in this respect), i.e there is some symbolism and a few 'making you think' stuff re superman's place in the world etc, however there's plenty that's just plain good comic booky fun with no deeper meaning to it. I didn't think the movie was too pretentious. And even the 'deeper' stuff had relevance to the plot as it tied into the whole Superman/Batman conflict. Villains being competent- yes, Luthor was definitely competent (if nothing else, I can at least say that, I don't know if you will like him as a character though since I remember your comments regarding Jesse, but I think he worked well enough as a villain, better than Zod at any rate). And in some ways Batman was kinda the villain too for a bit and he was well developed for sure. As for (spoiler for people who haven't seen all trailers) Doomsday, he wasn't exactly a 'well developed' villain but he's not really meant to be, never was in the cartoons/comics either- he was just a pawn, so I wasn't too fussed about that, but others might be.
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Post by riverpanthera on Mar 25, 2016 23:10:42 GMT -8
Saw the movie again today, with some other friends, these are more in the 'general audience' category ie. they are not already fans of the characters like me, but even they did enjoy it but not as much as me. One friend said he was definitely entertained, another said it was pretty good, but she wasn't totally pulled into it and would give it a 7/10. However she did say it's the most she's ever liked Superman.
For me I think I can safely say now i definitely love the movie. My complaints are still the same as the first time, i guess just even more obvious on a second watch- the editing which really is the biggest issue IMO and the background music just being really loud and over the top at points that it actually almost ruined a few moments that are otherwise awesome. If not for those two things I would easily give this movie a 10/10 (because while there were a few other flaws too, they are very minor for me and I can ignore because of the overall joy I got out of it) But as it stands, it's a 8/10.
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Post by karan on Mar 26, 2016 6:54:08 GMT -8
Watched it. If I'm being completely honest, it's an average film and doesn't have many captivating moments.
It drags quite a bit in the first half, the events aren't properly developed, there's no interesting villain and the last big fight is fairly standard stuff.
Wouldn't say I hated it since it's an alright one-time watch but it's far away from the high expectations I had.
I'd rate it a 5.5/10.
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Post by Reena on Mar 26, 2016 10:14:11 GMT -8
^ Same here I was yawning at some point . I was really looking forward to it as I am a big superhero fan. I didn't really enjoy Ben Affleck maybe cause I still have Christian Bale stuck in my head
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Post by abhijacko on Mar 26, 2016 19:48:50 GMT -8
I watched it, and I have to agree with karan . I did not hate it, but did not like it either - the final reaction was indifference. The movie was so weird - it felt like a clip show - horrible editing. Jesse 'Zuckerberg' was all over the place - some scenes he was great, others I felt like punching him in the face. Batfleck was average at best. Henry Cavill was absolutely wooden, more so than in MOS. Gal Gadot's WW was the only bit I enjoyed The thing is, I expected the above and hence wasn't too disappointed. The biggest disappointment was the action and music. I was expecting some amazing action sequences at the very least. Barring the 3 minute long Batman v Superman fight (too short), every thing else was terrible. Shot in the dark and so confusing - you dont know what the hell is going on. That Bat-mobile chase was one of the worst Bat-mobile sequences EVER !! There is this one shot that summed it up: batmobile is coming towards the camera, followed by a truck with its headlights ON, chasing it. The result being. You cant see the truck - you cant see the batmobile. All you see is two blinding lights. Did they hand the camera to a freakin MONKEY ??? And he used slow motion for regular walking shots .. what was up with that?? IF people had walked at regular speed this movie would be 10-15 minutes shorter. And CGI at some places was so blatantly obvious I went with a group of 5 and everyone was disappointed. And my roommate - MASSIVE batman fan, avid comic book reader hated it and hopes that Snyder is sacked from directing Justice League 5/10 - Strictly one time watch. the critics reviews make sense to me now
It felt like a "Michael Bay movie pretending to be a Christopher Nolan movie"
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Post by riverpanthera on Mar 26, 2016 23:14:27 GMT -8
loll well I guess i'm hte only one on here then. Ah well. I do agree with you guys on one things, I do think snyder should be replaced for JL, he's clearly far too divisive and these characters deserve better. (Actually I also agree with you on the horrible editing)
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Post by karan on Mar 26, 2016 23:40:48 GMT -8
Any news on him being replaced? Heard they start shooting for it soon. Given the mixed reception to Man of Steel and BvS it would be the logical thing to do and they might even have to rewrite the JL film.
Apparently a solo Batman film has been confirmed. Exciting. IMDB's listed Ben Affleck as the director, not sure if that's true.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2016 3:04:31 GMT -8
I liked the movie. A lot. I must say, that I really didn't expect to like it that much. MOS didn't really click with me the first time I watched it (I now appreciate it a lot more) and that combined with the mixed reviews it was getting I was worried I would hate it too. But I was actually surprised!
Visually it was absolutely breathtaking (that opening sequence!)
Batleck was hands down the truest and best Batman/Bruce Wayne we've ever seen on the big screen (imho he topped Keaton's Batman - and I was never a fan of Bale's Bat sorry). Gal was absolutely amazing as Wonder Woman (and this is coming from someone who was against her casting since day 1 - my god was I wrong about her - can’t wait for the WW movie now). When Diana jumps into battle and we finally see her in full WW armor and her badass theme starts playing and she starts kicking ass was a 100/10 cinematic masterpiece
I liked Henry here a lot more than in MOS. Clark bby, you need all the hugs. Poor baby. Loved all the Clois scenes, they brought their A-Game
And I really enjoyed Lex as the villain. I didn't find him too over the top. He was psychotic, crazy and pure evil. So Jesse did a great job. A much more interesting take on the character.
The movie was also incredibly emotional - something very few CBMs can pull off. I can't even remember the last time I got teary at a movie. There where several scenes which got me right in the feels
{spoiler} particularly the Martha scene and of course the doomsday fight and Supes's death. When the told Lois that she was his world I already choked up and knew what was coming ;__; All the feels.
I just don't understand how anyone could say that it sucks (imho it's doesn't deserve that RT score). Okay, the editing and pace in the 1st half is a little wonky, but overall it's leaps and bounds ahead of MOS. It wasn't perfect but dammit I enjoyed the hell out of it and can't wait to see it again.
Rating 8/10
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Post by abhijacko on Mar 27, 2016 4:38:30 GMT -8
Any news on him being replaced? Heard they start shooting for it soon. Given the mixed reception to Man of Steel and BvS it would be the logical thing to do and they might even have to rewrite the JL film. Apparently a solo Batman film has been confirmed. Exciting. IMDB's listed Ben Affleck as the director, not sure if that's true. All true.. JL starts shooting in July with Snyder directing it (I am going to skip this one if he is still the director). And Affleck will indeed direct a solo batman movie (this i am looking forward too).
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Post by karan on Mar 27, 2016 4:52:42 GMT -8
^ Damn. The writer is also the same which is worrying given the problems in this film's script . This DC Universe isn't looking too good IMO. Justice League 1 & 2 (as of now) is made by the same team of BvS and I'm personally not that interested in the Wonder Woman and Aquaman solo films (for some reason their characters don't really excite me). Batleck was hands down the truest and best Batman/Bruce Wayne we've ever seen on the big screen (imho he topped Keaton's Batman - and I was never a fan of Bale's Bat sorry). Seen quite a few people speak highly of Keaton's batman and rate it as the best. But from the clips I've seen, he seemed weird & hasty. Affleck played the part well but as far as the character goes, this film made Batman/Bruce look dumb at certain points when he's supposed to be a brilliant detective and strategist. We need a solo film of Affleck to properly judge him as batman.
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Post by abhijacko on Mar 27, 2016 5:03:16 GMT -8
^I feel the same way about WW and Aquaman
And Aquaman is directed by the director of Fast and Furious 7, so I am not too hopeful on that front either. And it almost looks like he is distancing himself from Snyder's dark and dull take on BvS and MOS - went on record to say that he makes fun movies and Aquaman will be a fun movie
Thats a lot of "fun" in a couple of sentences haha
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Post by riverpanthera on Mar 27, 2016 12:12:50 GMT -8
Spot on, I felt exactly the same, glad to see someone else (outside my friend circle) feel the same way. I can even understand people thinking it's just 'ok', but there is no way in hell it deserves only 30% RT. I mean that's saying its worse than Batman Forever! If it was 50-60, I would say fine fair enough.
I also really really loved Affleck's Batman, though I still prefer Bale but that could honestly change if I see Affleck more.
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Post by riverpanthera on Mar 27, 2016 12:18:17 GMT -8
The biggest disappointment was the action and music. I was expecting some amazing action sequences at the very least. Barring the 3 minute long Batman v Superman fight (too short), every thing else was terrible. Shot in the dark and so confusing - you dont know what the hell is going on. That Bat-mobile chase was one of the worst Bat-mobile sequences EVER !! Abhi really, for me that was one of the best parts. How can you say that was the only good action, at least all the Batman hand to hand fights were amazing I thought (and way better than anything in Nolan's series, which is the only real problem with that series particularly TDKR, the first two did still have some amazing action but it still wasn't so much in the hand to hand combat but in other ways) I also actually liked the doomsday fight a lot, even if it was cgi heavy (with doomsday that's not exactly a surprise) but I felt Wonder Woman and Superman both got to shine quite well and had some good 'classic' superhero moments. Batman was also given an appropriate role here, i.e I did like that he actually was more just a distraction for doomsday rather than a threat. I do sorta agree with you regarding the batmobile chase, I didn't hate all of it (in fact some I loved) but some of it was definitely really weird.
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Post by SRKFanatic on Mar 27, 2016 14:41:12 GMT -8
Saw this yesterday. I'm not a big fan of these kinds of movies, but the family wanted to go. That said, I enjoyed it. I liked Affleck's Batman, and loved Wonder Woman, just wished she had more of a role. Action was great too.
I didn't like the Jesse Eisenberg casting though. Would have preferred maybe someone older, more mature.
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Post by abhijacko on Mar 27, 2016 15:30:32 GMT -8
The biggest disappointment was the action and music. I was expecting some amazing action sequences at the very least. Barring the 3 minute long Batman v Superman fight (too short), every thing else was terrible. Shot in the dark and so confusing - you dont know what the hell is going on. That Bat-mobile chase was one of the worst Bat-mobile sequences EVER !! Abhi really, for me that was one of the best parts. How can you say that was the only good action, at least all the Batman hand to hand fights were amazing I thought (and way better than anything in Nolan's series, which is the only real problem with that series particularly TDKR, the first two did still have some amazing action but it still wasn't so much in the hand to hand combat but in other ways) I also actually liked the doomsday fight a lot, even if it was cgi heavy (with doomsday that's not exactly a surprise) but I felt Wonder Woman and Superman both got to shine quite well and had some good 'classic' superhero moments. Batman was also given an appropriate role here, i.e I did like that he actually was more just a distraction for doomsday rather than a threat. I do sorta agree with you regarding the batmobile chase, I didn't hate all of it (in fact some I loved) but some of it was definitely really weird. I have to disagree completely While TDKR hand to hand scenes weren't slick and fast, they were realistic and most importantly, you could tell exactly what was happening. In BvS, everything was shot in dark (on purpose, to hide the CGI) and half the time, you couldn't see what was happening. There were atleast 3-4 shots of random explosions, which looked NOTHING like fire but orange laser shows. And it was so bright against the dark backdrop that you had no idea what had caused it. And the Doomsday fight had the same problem - CGI was good, but direction itself was so poorly handled. It reminded me of the weird Electro action scene from Amazing Spiderman 2 What I dont understand is - Snyder used slow motion shots for regular walking. Instead he could have made people walk normally while slowing down some of the action to make it clearer !! Maybe I am completely wrong in my judgement, but i was extremely disappointed by the action (which was supposed to be a high point).
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Post by riverpanthera on Mar 27, 2016 18:46:06 GMT -8
^I'm really baffled to read this honestly, I had no issues seeing what was happening in the hand to hand in BvS (definitely wasn't too dark at all), I'm almost wondering if we saw the same thing. did you see it in 3D or 2D? I saw in 2D both times and the hand to hand fights were very clear, but if your was 3D perhaps that might explain it as I know that 3D tends to make everything darker. (one of the reasons I usually hate 3D) Main hand to hand fight that i'm referring to is the start of this trailer: www.youtube.com/watch?v=eX_iASz1Si8&sns=twIt doesn't seem that dark to me (in fact probably less dark than most of the Nolan fights), also doesn't really seem like much CGI but I guess I wouldn't really know for sure. And the other was the one in the dream sequence with the Superman troops in the desert, this one most definitely was not dark cause it wasn't even night! I also feel like you're exaggerating about the slow walking, I really didn't notice that except perhaps one shot of Bruce Wayne walking towards his parents grave. I can't really think of any other situations where it stood out to me that much.
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Post by abhijacko on Mar 27, 2016 19:38:38 GMT -8
Every single main character slow walked Affleck did it twice. Absolutely no exaggeration there. The funniest one was the one you mentioned - Bruce is walking in slow motion, while the wind in the background is blowing on normal speed. Me and my roommate were laughing at that one The desert action scene was passable, except that he used guns for most of it. But that was the most clear sequence, I will give you that. The Gotham/Metropolis scenes I found very annoying and hard to follow. Especially the doomsday fight. I wish we could watch the movie together and i could point it out to you haha
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Post by abhijacko on Mar 27, 2016 19:40:34 GMT -8
Oh and i watched it in IMAX 2D, so I had the best viewing conditions
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Post by palacerani on Mar 28, 2016 13:49:40 GMT -8
I watched this movie last evening. I've been a fan of Batman, Superman, The Avengers, and all other super power icons and have watched all the movies. This by far is one of the worst I've seen. The first half hour was so boring I almost walked out. Nothing in this movie made sense. Scenes were disjointed, acting was so-so. I was never happy about Ben Affleck being cast and I still feel the same. The fight between the two powers was good but the way it ended? Huh? What was that? I don't want to reveal any spoilers so I won't comment further but I almost laughed. The end scenes were so stupid. What a disaster of a movie. I totally agree with the critics and the Rotten Tomatoes rating.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2016 14:21:30 GMT -8
Don't read if you haven't seen the movie ... {spoiler} It really confuses me how anyone can be asking or even laugh how Batman did abondon his mission to kill Supes at the mention of the name 'Martha'. Did people even pay attention to the movie?! The whole fight, Batman kept referring to Supes as not a man, like he was trying to convince himself he wasn't so that he could justify killing him in cold blood. He repeated it several times for god's sake. He was clearly making an effort to close off any emotional connection to him, to put up armour against any doubt because he knew he needed to be single minded and focused in order to do what he thought needed to be done. But when he heard his mother's name, it ripped that armour away. The memory of his mother was the key to unlocking the soft side of him, the side that feels love and compassion. And then when Lois tells him it's his mothers name ...those ideas of Superman not being a man, of being just a threat to be destroyed, are completely squashed. He has a mother. He is a man. He is more than just a threat. Of course he couldn't go through with it. How could he kill him in cold blood after being brought to that realisation? Batman has always been portrayed in both comics and on-screen as being traumatised by the killing of his parents as he naturally would be... he doted on his mother. In BvS the nightmare he had about visiting the tomb... the Bat coming out of his mother's grave - not his dads... it's obvious the loss of his mother hit him hardest. So it's totally understandable that the mention of "Martha" completely shocked him... the chances of both of their mother's having the same name... This was honestly my fav scene in the movie and I fail to understand how people can even laugh at it ...seriously?! At this point, I think even the legit criticism of the film has evolved into a cultural troll-ish territory now. I mean I can't even take some of the criticism seriously because of how absurd it is. But everyone is entitled to their own opinions
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Post by abhijacko on Mar 28, 2016 19:56:22 GMT -8
I have to agree with palacerani regarding the Martha scene. And here is why: {Spoiler}First of all, we almost laughed too - my roommate went WTF out loud. It almost felt like I was watching a Rohit shetty movie with - explosions, bangs, punches, people flying - and then suddenly - "teri maa, meri maa hai. main ussey bachaoonga" - cue emotional music. more explosions, action and bangs. It just drops out of nowhere
I understand what Snyder was going for and it was a fantastic idea on paper - humanizing superman in the eyes of batman because their mothers shared the same name. But the execution of the scene was very poor. Neither Batman nor Superman's characters were well developed enough through the movie for that scene to make sense - superman has a 1 minute chat with his mom, batman has a 2 minute "slow mo" scene in front of martha's grave. And you cannot expect the audience to know external material and assume stuff. And this is not about spoon-feeding. Its just very LAZY and convenient writing associated with Michael Bay or Rohit Shetty movies
And it did not help that the acting was so over the top in that scene
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Post by abhijacko on Mar 28, 2016 20:06:46 GMT -8
@pepper, you said:
My group discussed these criticisms outside the movie theater and on our way to home. And then I checked online and most of the reviews echoed the same criticisms. Surely this cant be a coincidence. It looks like the movie did not ring well with a lot of people. Nothing absurd about it. Just a difference of opinion and view point
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Post by riverpanthera on Mar 28, 2016 22:07:41 GMT -8
Don't read if you haven't seen the movie ... It really confuses me how anyone can be asking or even laugh how Batman did abondon his mission to kill Supes at the mention of the name 'Martha'. Did people even pay attention to the movie?! The whole fight, Batman kept referring to Supes as not a man, like he was trying to convince himself he wasn't so that he could justify killing him in cold blood. He repeated it several times for god's sake. He was clearly making an effort to close off any emotional connection to him, to put up armour against any doubt because he knew he needed to be single minded and focused in order to do what he thought needed to be done. But when he heard his mother's name, it ripped that armour away. The memory of his mother was the key to unlocking the soft side of him, the side that feels love and compassion. And then when Lois tells him it's his mothers name ...those ideas of Superman not being a man, of being just a threat to be destroyed, are completely squashed. He has a mother. He is a man. He is more than just a threat. Of course he couldn't go through with it. How could he kill him in cold blood after being brought to that realisation? Batman has always been portrayed in both comics and on-screen as being traumatised by the killing of his parents as he naturally would be... he doted on his mother. In BvS the nightmare he had about visiting the tomb... the Bat coming out of his mother's grave - not his dads... it's obvious the loss of his mother hit him hardest. So it's totally understandable that the mention of "Martha" completely shocked him... the chances of both of their mother's having the same name... This was honestly my fav scene in the movie and I fail to understand how people can even laugh at it ...seriously?! At this point, I think even the legit criticism of the film has evolved into a cultural troll-ish territory now. I mean I can't even take some of the criticism seriously because of how absurd it is. But everyone is entitled to their own opinions Totally agree with every word of this pepper, that was actually one of the best scenes for me, and brilliantly executed. In fact abhi I feel the exact opposite, that on paper it sounds like a terrible scene If I just read that the reason batman doesn't kill Superman is because of mother having same name, that does indeed sound funny and lame but the way the scene takes place it felt very real and believable to me and the acting was amazing! So I"m actually glad I wasn't spoiled on that like I know some were (not saying you were, I have no idea if you were, but I"ve read other reports), cause otherwise I would have watched it with an already biased mind. Also pepper worded it so beautifully but also to add to that, I think at that moment Batman also realised that he was becoming those he hates- if he continued, he was going to let someone's mother die But yeah I guess this just shows me how much people really can differ in opinions. It's kind of amazing in a way. While there are several movies that I've often disagreed to an extent with reviewers on, I don't think it's ever been to this extent.
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Post by abhijacko on Mar 29, 2016 6:31:21 GMT -8
Totally agree with every word of this pepper, that was actually one of the best scenes for me, and brilliantly executed. In fact abhi I feel the exact opposite, that on paper it sounds like a terrible scene If I just read that the reason batman doesn't kill Superman is because of mother having same name, that does indeed sound funny and lame but the way the scene takes place it felt very real and believable to me and the acting was amazing! So I"m actually glad I wasn't spoiled on that like I know some were (not saying you were, I have no idea if you were, but I"ve read other reports), cause otherwise I would have watched it with an already biased mind. Also pepper worded it so beautifully but also to add to that, I think at that moment Batman also realised that he was becoming those he hates- if he continued, he was going to let someone's mother die But yeah I guess this just shows me how much people really can differ in opinions. It's kind of amazing in a way. While there are several movies that I've often disagreed to an extent with reviewers on, I don't think it's ever been to this extent. Why I say it works on paper is because its a very novel idea, and the connection is quite interesting - Connecting the two warring superheros with their mother's first names, and then using that to humanize Superman in Batman's eyes could have been a masterstroke and a very emotional scene
Only problem: it lasts for about 2 minutes. Batman goes from KILLING Superman to pledging to save his mother within a minute. And like I said, that story-line was poorly developed too. You see Superman chatting with his mom for a couple of minutes, and then you see Batman visiting his parents graves for a couple of minutes. If this subplot was going to be the BASIS and the foundation of the formation of Dawn of Justice, then they should have spend a LOT more time developing it. Add to that, the titular Batman v Superman fight lasted all of 5 minutes leading upto that scene, and was almost one sided added to the disappointment
It really came down to poor screenplay and direction in the end. And that bit did not surprise me at all, as MOS suffered from the same issues
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Post by riverpanthera on Mar 29, 2016 21:58:39 GMT -8
Totally agree with every word of this pepper, that was actually one of the best scenes for me, and brilliantly executed. In fact abhi I feel the exact opposite, that on paper it sounds like a terrible scene If I just read that the reason batman doesn't kill Superman is because of mother having same name, that does indeed sound funny and lame but the way the scene takes place it felt very real and believable to me and the acting was amazing! So I"m actually glad I wasn't spoiled on that like I know some were (not saying you were, I have no idea if you were, but I"ve read other reports), cause otherwise I would have watched it with an already biased mind. Also pepper worded it so beautifully but also to add to that, I think at that moment Batman also realised that he was becoming those he hates- if he continued, he was going to let someone's mother die But yeah I guess this just shows me how much people really can differ in opinions. It's kind of amazing in a way. While there are several movies that I've often disagreed to an extent with reviewers on, I don't think it's ever been to this extent. Why I say it works on paper is because its a very novel idea, and the connection is quite interesting - Connecting the two warring superheros with their mother's first names, and then using that to humanize Superman in Batman's eyes could have been a masterstroke and a very emotional scene
Only problem: it lasts for about 2 minutes. Batman goes from KILLING Superman to pledging to save his mother within a minute. And like I said, that story-line was poorly developed too. You see Superman chatting with his mom for a couple of minutes, and then you see Batman visiting his parents graves for a couple of minutes. If this subplot was going to be the BASIS and the foundation of the formation of Dawn of Justice, then they should have spend a LOT more time developing it. Add to that, the titular Batman v Superman fight lasted all of 5 minutes leading upto that scene, and was almost one sided added to the disappointment
It really came down to poor screenplay and direction in the end. And that bit did not surprise me at all, as MOS suffered from the same issues I feel like we are going to start going in circles because of the difference of opinion thingbut I once again totally disagree that they didn't spend enough time on the relationship with their moms. Firstly yes Superman only had one conversation in this movie with his mom, but this is not a standalone movie, it is a sequel to Man of Steel and it is very clear from both movies together how much he cares about his mother. Now I understand that people may not remember MOS wellbut that doesnt' mean we can't be expected to remember at least some of it. This is not exactly some tiny detail that you can be forgiven for not remembering. MOS had some pretty big moments that showed Clark's love for his mother, most important was the "You think you can threaten my mother" scene. And you shouldn't expect a movie to be standalone completely when it is part of a series.
Secondly you are saying with batman also we don't get enough of his mom and we only see him visit his mom's grave a couple of times. I"m once again a bit baffled cause exactly what were you expecting, his mom is dead, what else are they supposed to show?? If we had more grave visiting scenes, people would complain about that being repetitive and boring. And don't forget the very first scene of the movie sets everything up when we see his parents die and they even focus on his mother more than they have in other batman movies.
Also, for arguments sake, even if I did agree with you that in this particular movie they didn't show much of Bruce's relationship with his parents besides their death, I for one i"m glad that we didnt' get too much of Batman/Bruce Wayne's origins again. This was the mistake that Amazing spiderman made. IMO there is absolutely nothing wrong with expecting the audience to know some stuff about the character especially when we've just had a whole trilogy of movies that was extremely popular. And we don't need a rehash of it. Every time I open a batman comic or see a new animated movie, I don't expect them to show me all of Bruce's relationship with his parents to know that he has issues dealing with their death. Unless you've been living under a rock or don't care about superheroes, everyone would know this. And even then it's not like Zack didn't show anything, he showed the most important moment.
I"m also having a hard time seeing how you call that acting bad. Affleck's reactions were actually perfect, he gets taken aback by the mention of his mother's name and not just his mothers name but Clark says "you're letting them kill Martha"- of course this makes him stop and he gives a almost WTF look like "is anybody else hearing this or am I dreaming?" but there is also anger about why this person who he is about to kill is saying this, I thought he pulled of the anger/confusion really well. And then once he hears that's it's Superman's mothers name too and to save here, that is the final blow, for the first time he is aware of just what he is about to do- kill a guy who even with his dying breath is begging Bruce to save his mother.
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Post by riverpanthera on Mar 29, 2016 22:34:46 GMT -8
Also ther'es been a lot of talk about how the 'majority' are hating it, this couldn't be further from the truth. It's got a very bad critic reception sure but not audience. Sure it's not as loved as Nolan's series and it is definitely a divisive movie, there are those who love it, and there are also those who really hate it too. But I would argue there's actually more who like it than don't. Just look at the imdb score: www.imdb.com/title/tt2975590/?ref_=nv_sr_1Now while IMDB is by no means completely reliable, I'll take 170,000 votes over a few hundred critics any day of the week. Movies in the end are subjective so a rating of 7.4/10 is pretty darn decent and even if it falls a little further, it's definitely not a terrible score like Rotten Tomatoes would have you believe. I would say about 70-75% of people like this movie (i'm looking at % of people who gave it at least a 7/10). Or at worst (if it really does fall that much further which I very much doubt) maybe 60%. Still the majority!
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Post by abhijacko on Mar 30, 2016 5:55:01 GMT -8
LOL you are right. I have a counter to your points but We are going in circles. Lets just agree to disagree I am glad you liked the movie this much I agree with you about the majority not liking thing. If a movie is doing the kind of box office BvS seems to be headed for then calling it "disliked by majority" is a bit naive. It is like Transformers. Panned by critics, but if its doing a billion dollars at the box office, clearly it is appealing to its targeted audience and a majority of the movie goers are liking it
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